Turkey has disdainfully rejected a proposal by the European Union’s High Representative Josep Borrell to broker talks between it and the Republic of Cyprus, calling it “far from being serious” and reiterating that it does not recognise the “Greek-Cypriot administration” as representative of the Republic of Cyprus.
Borrell’s proposal called for cooperation between the Republic of Cyprus and Turkey and welcomed Nicosia’s offer to Ankara to negotiate in good faith the maritime delimitation between their relevant coasts.
In response, Hami Aksoy, spokesman for Turkey’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said “the proposal was far from being serious” and was made by the same EU “which always ignores the existence of the Turkish Cypriots and has never referred to their equal rights over the natural resources of the Island in any of its statements.”
Aksoy also reiterated that until the Cyprus issue on hydrocarbon resources is resolved, the interlocutor of the Greek Cypriots is the Turkish Cypriots.
He said that in this context, interlocutor of the Greek Cypriot administration’s Foreign Ministry is not Turkey but Foreign Minister of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC), Kudret Ozersay.
“If a solution is desired in the Eastern Mediterranean, as a first step, the two peoples of the Island should come together and establish a joint cooperation mechanism for the exploration and exploitation of the hydrocarbon resources, including revenue sharing, as soon as possible,” Aksoy said.
“Turkey itself will never sit down with the Greek Cypriot Administration ever which has usurped the title of Republic of Cyprus and does not represent the Turkish Cypriots.”
He concluded that the limitation of maritime jurisdiction areas in the west of the Cyprus Island is possible only after the Cyprus issue is resolved.
It was Sunday, January 31, 1965 when the
first Messinian Association’s picnic, took place at the little coastal town of
Victor Harbor in South Australia. From then on and every year until 2005,
Greeks and philhellenes alike -from across the state- would gather to celebrate
Greek culture and spend a weekend away with friends and family.
For the nearly two thousand Messinians who
made South Australia home from the early 1950s the picnics, held on the Sunday
of the Australia day weekend, became a staple and one of the most important
events in their calendars. A great opportunity to celebrate the home country
they left behind and pass on the love for the Greek culture and language to
future generations.
A photo from one of the picnics, posted recently on the Association’s social media pages was enough to bring up treasured memories reminisced by many generations of Greeks in South Australia.
‘Adelaide like Athens, Victor Harbor like Kalamata’
“My mum would be up from about 3am to
prepare a picnic for a king. We would line up for the special bus with other
families. It was so exciting none of us kids could sleep. It was more exciting
than Xmas or Easter. It is one of my fondest childhood memories,” Mrs
Panayiotakopoulos commented.
It was due to the tireless work of its dedicated
members and volunteers and the support of the wider Greek community, that the
Victor Harbor Messinian picnics became an institution which lasted for more
than 40 years. One of them is Mr. Angelos Bouzalas, the Association’s first
secretary and current Honorary President.
“Our Association was established on October 4, 1959 aiming to assist Messinian migrants adjust smoothly in South Australia, support them when necessary and to help maintain our hometown’s culture,” Mr Bouzalas, 85, told The Greek Herald.
Messinian Association of SA current committee. Top row, third from L, Kostas Mantis, fourth from L, Mr Angelo Bouzalas. Bottom row, third from left president Martha Ioannides.
“We thought Victor
Harbor was great for the picnics due to its seaside location. We hired buses to
pick up people from specific spots around the city of Adelaide. Not many people
had cars back then and we wanted everyone to feel included,” Mr Bouzalas said.
Somewhere along the
way to Victor Harbor, the buses would meet with the few Holden and Ford cars.
And the celebrations would kick off. Some, would use the picnics as an
opportunity for a short holiday at Victor Harbor.
“Thousands of Greeks attended. Not only Greeks but Australians as well.
The local council knew we boosted the local economy with the event. They even supplied
the power for us, that we didn’t have the first years,” he remembers,
highlighting that the Association was never short of volunteers.
“If Adelaide is – as many claim – the Athens of the South, then Victor Harbor is certainly its Kalamata,” reads an excerpt of the Victor Harbor Times newspaper, published on January 31st 1986.
Victor Harbor Messinian Picnics: A link between generations
The company, the food, the laughter and the
memories transformed in a link that held together more than two generations of
Messinians in South Australia.
“We would have more than 5000 people participating every year. Most would book rooms or houses and make a weekend of it. We had live Greek bands, lots of dancing and drinking and we would have a tent where we served food, sweets and drinks. The youth saw it as a day to meet with friends and display their latest fashion,” said Peter Sardelis, a member of South Australia’s Messinian Association, who for the last 25 years has also served as a committee member, treasurer, vice president and president.
“In 1994, the government made a decision to
hold the Australia Day public holiday on January 26th. So the day
was different every year and no longer a weekend. We continued to have the
picnic for a couple of years after the change and held it on the Sunday before
Australia day, but numbers declined and a decision was made by our then
committee to stop the picnic,” Mr Sardelis said.
Now, the new
generations of Messinians in South Australia, are looking for a way to bring
these iconic events back.
“My late father,
George Mantis, made me a member of the Association the day I was born, so it’s
safe to say the club is in my blood,” Kosta Mantis said.
“As a kid, the annual Victor Harbor Messinian Picnic was an event I was looking forward to, all year. My late father, who was a lifelong volunteer and President of the Messinian club, would leave home early on Saturday morning driving a truck full of meat to Victor, so my mother would drive my sisters and myself to Victor later that morning.
Kosta Mantis as a kid with his first cousin, they share the same name
“It was so exciting
because once we arrived, we would be greeted by cousins, friends and kids of
the community we had grown up with. My most memorable moments of being away for
the weekend was seeing the Penguins of Granite Island, Donkey rides on the
sand, going on the Go-Karts and playing soccer”.
“It would be great to
bring an event like this back, in the future,” concludes Mr Mantis, highlighting
that it’s his generation’s turn to support the Association as passionately as previous
generations did.
A block of land that mysteriously grew 200 square metres overnight has turned an exclusive waterfront pocket of Vaucluse into a battleground, with prized views of Sydney Harbour at stake, The Sydney Morning Herald reports.
A former Harley Davidson boss, the property’s Lamborghini owners and a notorious private certification firm – not to mention Woollahra Council – have all been swept up in the saga over the redevelopment of a house on Loch Maree Place.
Neighbours are uncertain whether an innocent mistake or “skulduggery” led to the redevelopment’s approval based on false documentation.
But they were outraged when council declined to investigate after it was alerted to wildly different versions of the land size in its own documents.
“Our trust in DA processing is shattered and we wonder how many other times this has happened and neighbours have had no idea,” wrote Andrew Coroneo in a letter to councillors in February.
Properties along the waterfront at Loch Maree Place, Vaucluse.
Mr Coroneo and his wife, Nicky, have lived on Loch Maree Place since the 1980s. Later arrivals included socialite family the Jacenkos and hotel mogul Jerry Schwartz.
Former Harley Davidson general manager Peter Nochar rolled in in 2008 and lodged a DA to add a loft to his property on Loch Maree place.
He won approval in 2014, a month before he sold the house for $5.6 million to Lamborghini driving current owners Barni and Patrizia Askaro who own an electricity substation business. The DA was not acted on until the end of last year.
It was then that the Coroneos – who appear set to lose their harbour views as a result of the development – were astonished to discover it relied on false information.
A survey had put the block size at 953 square metres, when the actual size is 739 square metres according to the NSW Registrar General.
“We’d been diddled,” Mrs Coroneo said.
The surveyor whose name appeared next to the incorrect figure, Michael Burg, did not comment directly. However, he referred the Herald to emails he’d sent in 2014 containing a survey with the correct land size on it.
Mr Nochar said he followed the proper approval process.
The floor space ratio is the percentage of the land a building will occupy, and is controlled by councils to prevent overdevelopment.
While in some cases FSR limits can be exceeded, the NSW Department of Planning warns that “councils will not do this lightly”.
At the time of the DA in 2014, Woollahra Council allowed a building to occupy a maximum 55 per cent of a block.
Its assessment report showed the completed house would occupy 65 per cent of the block, but found that acceptable. If the real land size had been used, the non-compliance would have been much larger at 83 per cent.
The Coroneos questioned the point of development controls that weren’t enforced and argued it was only fair an approval based on a “grossly inflated” land size be torn up. But Woollahra council declined to act.
“The merits of the application are not altered by the change in site area,” a planning officer wrote to them. “Council relied on the documentation submitted in good faith.”
The Coroneos also thought the development consent lapsed last year because work was not commenced within the five-year limit.
Council told them the time limit no longer applies because a private certifier issued a construction certificate two months before the lapse date.
Whether the previous DA had been enacted was “a matter for the private certifier,” a council spokesperson said.
The certifier was Mark McDonald of Dix Gardner, a firm which has had two certifiers banned after being reprimanded 30 times between them.
A Dix Gardner spokesperson said whether the consent had lapsed “is a matter for legal interpretation”. But the spokesperson defended the fact the construction certificate for the demolition works contained the two different land sizes.
He said it was not Mr McDonald’s responsibility to check the accuracy of information in the development consent, as the duty of council and the applicant.
The Askaros have now lodged a fresh DA for a three-storey residence. It relies on the existing development approval to justify exceeding the council’s floor space ratios, to the anger of the Coroneos who said it was “hard to swallow”.
The proposal has attracted 28 objections. A council spokesperson said its assessment would include verification of the land area.
On June 29, 2019, newly-elected Archbishop Makarios of Australia was enthroned with enthusiasm and acclamations of Axios at the Greek Orthodox Cathedral of the Annunciation in Sydney. Thousands of people of all ages came from every part of Australia to participate in the enthronement, including dozens of priests.
One year on and Archbishop Makarios has travelled across Australia to implement a number of initiatives and faced the COVID-19 pandemic and church restrictions.
In return for his work, he has received many messages of congratulations to mark the one year anniversary of his enthronement. Below is a list of the statements released by associations, organisations and schools.
AHEPA NSW:
Την Δευτέρα 29 Ιουνίου ο Σεβασμιώτατος Αρχιεπίσκοπος Αυστραλίας, Υπέρτιμος και Έξαρχος πάσης Ωκεανίας κ. κ. Μακάριος κλείνει έναν χρόνο στον Αρχιεπισκοπικό θρόνο. Τα εμπνευσμένα λόγια του ηχούν ακόμα στα αυτιά μας: «Πόθος μου είναι να βρίσκομαι εν Χριστώ σε αγαπητική κοινωνία με όλους σας. Δεν ανήκω στον εαυτό μου, αλλά στον Χριστό και στο ποίμνιό μου. Είμαι εδώ για να μοιραστώ μαζί σας ό,τι είμαι και ό,τι έχω. Η αγάπη του Θεού με έφερε κοντά σας». Από την πρώτη ημέρα του στην Αυστραλία, ήρθε ευαγγελιζόμενος αγάπη για τον Χριστό, ενότητα για την Εκκλησία και την Ομογένεια, ανθρωπιά για τον πλησίον.
Αγαπήθηκε από την πρώτη στιγμή. Όργωσε την ήπειρό αυτής της χώρας απ’ άκρου εις άκρον, μέχρι το Ντάργουιν και την Τασμανία. Άρχισε μία τιτάνια προσπάθεια αναδιάταξης της Ιεράς Αρχιεπισκοπής σε επίπεδο οικονομικό, οργανωτικό, στελεχιακό και πνευματικό. Κορυφαία εν προκειμένω πράξη του η στελέχωση της Ιεράς μας Αρχιεπισκοπής με τρεις νέους Επισκόπους, εκ των οποίων οι δύο είναι αυστραλογεννημένοι απόφοιτοι της Θεολογικής Σχολής του Αποστόλου Ανδρέου στο Σύδνεϋ.
Read the remainder of the full statement in Greek: HERE.
St Basils NSW and ACT:
Ευχητήριο Μήνυμα για τον έναν χρόνο Ποιμαντορίας του Σεβασμιωτάτου Αρχιεπισκόπου κ.κ. Μακαρίου:
Επί τη συμπληρώσει ενός έτους εύκαρπης διακονίας στην Αρχιεπισκοπή Αυστραλίας υποκλινόμεθα ευλαβώς, ασπαζόμενοι το χέρι Σας και αναφωνούμε ΑΞΙΟΣ. Ευχόμεθα ο Πανάγαθος Θεός να Σας χαρίζει υγεία, ψυχική ανάταση και σωματική δύναμη στο ευλογημένο έργο Σας. ´Ετη πολλά, δημιουργικά και ευλογημένα παρά Κυρίω.
St Spyridon College:
HIS EMINENCE ARCHBISHOP MAKARIOS-ONE YEAR AT THE HELM OF THE GREEK ORTHODOX CHURCH OF AUSTRALIAOn the occasion of…
The Executive Committee and members of the Cretan Association of Sydney & NSW send this message of congratulations to His Eminence Archbishop Makarios on the joyous anniversary of his enthronement to the hierarchical and episcopal throne of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of Australia. Over the last year, His Eminence has proven himself to be a worthy and outstanding leader of our community, initiating much development and change to for the benefit of the Orthodox faithful and the wider Australian Community. We congratulate His Eminence and wish him many years of leadership and service.
Mr Terry Saviolakis, President of the Cretan Association of Sydney and NSW.
All Saints Grammar School:
Επ’ ευκαιρία συμπληρώσεως ενός έτους ποιμαντοριας από τον Σεβασμιώτατο Αρχιεπίσκοπο μας κ. Μακάριο, του ευχόμαστε Χρόνια πολλά, καρποφόρα, κατά Θεόν ευλογημένα, και αναφωνούμε “Άξιος! Εις πολλά έτη Δέσποτα!”
One year of Blessing for the Australian Greek Orthodox community.This month marks one year since the arrival and enthronement of Archbishop Makarios as the Primate of the Greek Orthodox Church of Australia. The Greek Orthodox community shouted with open hearts the chant of ‘AXIOS’, as we rejoiced in the aspirations of a renewed beginning for our Church.At a time of global upheaval, our Orthodox faith has a vital role to play in providing a solid and stable foundation of hope, love, and salvation for all people.His Eminence Archbishop Makarios has shown to have the interest and love of the Greek Orthodox communities at heart. At All Saints Grammar, we have been blessed with His Eminence’s support of our ministry at school. Archbishop Makarios blessed us by officiating a Divine Liturgy, sharing his wisdom with our community at an assembly, and showed his love for our students by visiting our classrooms and engaging with our children. As a community, we pray for our beloved Archbishop, and hope for a future full of health, strength and wisdom, as he guides the present and future generations of our Greek Orthodox Faith in Australia. Εις πολλά έτη Δέσποτα!
Federation of Greek Elderly Citizen Clubs of Melbourne and Victoria:
Η Ομοσπονδία Συλλόγων Ελλήνων Ηλικιωμένων Μελβούρνης και Βικτωρίας, σας εύχεται εκ βάθους καρδιάς Προσωπική Υγεία και απρόσκοπτη συνέχεια στο έργο σας για πλείστα έτη, ειρηνικά και δημιουργικά. Σε περιόδους δοκιμασίας, η επέτειος αυτή αποκτά ακόμη μεγαλύτερη αξία. Με όλο το σεβασμό, Εκ μέρους της Ομσπονδίας Συλλόγων Ελλήνων Ηλικιωμένων Μελβουρνης & Βικτωρίας, Γιάννης Κωστούλιας Πρόεδρος.
Kurnell, Bundeena, Neilson Park, Brighton. If those locations don’t ring a bell for Greeks in Sydney, then they’re forgetting one of the monumental traditions for Greeks in the late 1900’s; the famous Sydney Greek Picnics.
Greek picnics in NSW date back to as early as 1916, with rare photos of Greeks gathering together in Lismore. These heartfelt traditions carried on for the next 50 years across regional and suburban NSW, with groups of Kytherians gathering in Bega in the 1950s.
Kytherian picnic in Bega NSW, circa 1950s.
Greek Picnic in Lismore, NSW, 1916.
While some Greeks may not remember, members of the second generation were actually quite resentful at being forced to attend picnics in the 1940s. Now, they look back with nothing but praise and admiration of this unique tradition.
The picnics that Sydney Greeks most fondly reminisce took place in the heart of Australian history; the Royal National Park in Sydney’s South. Babies, children, parents and grandparents – all generations of the Greek-Australian community in Sydney used to enjoy the annual celebrations and outings in the royal bushland.
Castellorizan family picnic at the National Park circa 1938.
The earliest photographic record of these picnics in Sydney date back to 1938, yet the tradition properly came into fruition in the 1960s. Major events such as Australia Day and New Year’s Day drew thousands of people yearly. For many, these picnics were an opportunity to meet up with other Greeks in Sydney and establish bonds that would carry on through their children.
From Bundeena and the Royal National Park, the picnics expanded to the other popular beach locations and Greek populated areas. As the 80s rolled by, Greeks would be found gathering in Kurnell, Brighton and Neilson Park, to name a few. At this point, hundreds of Greeks would be assembled together, travelling hours from across Sydney to join in the picnic.
Bundeena late 1960s. Vasilis Bebedellis Greek dancing with friends; on the left is Pavlis Kougious and his family. Courtesy of Vasilis Vasilas
Bundeena late 1960s. At the BBQ. On the left is Giorgos and Stavitsa Kefalas. Courtesy of Vasilis Vasilas
Beach, parea, ikoyenia…. but what kind of Greek picnic would it be without food! Greeks would carry everything but the kitchen sink, quite literally. Boiled eggs, souvlaki, tiropides, kapouzi, you name it, it was all there. Small charcoal barbecues would be scattered across the picnic area where 20 chequered blankets would be cover the grassy terrain.
More often than not, these ‘picnics’ turned into full day trips, with people arriving just before lunch and taking off as the sun sets behind the night sky. People just loved spending time with their extended family and friends! The picnics were an opportunity for people to gossip, tell stories about their journeys to Australia, and just enjoy the company of other Greeks.
Brighton Greek picnics became more popular as the 200s came around. Photo: Dimi Hatzi
There was something unique about these picnics. Something that is more or less lacking in the modern Greek community in Sydney, in what can be described only as a ‘united Greek front’. As the early 2000’s appeared, the 50 year old tradition slowly faltered off. Less and less Greeks would show up to events held in Brighton and Neilson Park. Groups of hundreds turned into crowds of 50.
The picnics represented more than just a communal gathering of people. It represented a community. Everyone celebrated together, not separately. Strangers that you didn’t know were greeted with open arms, not with silent whispers. The Sydney Greek picnics contain memories to be cherished for the rest of peoples lives and it’s a shame our children don’t get to experience the same feeling.
One of Australia’s rising female talents, 17-year-old football player Sofia Sakalis has dreams to one day represent Matilda’s on the big stage. With Australia and New Zealand being announced as the hosts for the 2023 Women’s World Cup, she may not be too far from her dream.
Speaking exclusively to The Greek Herald, Sakalis revealed she will be working harder now, more than ever, to play for the Matilda’s on the world stage in 2023.
“I’m excited about the 2023 World Cup in Australia and New Zealand, I’ve been dreaming of playing for the Matildas in a World Cup since I was a child,” Sakalis said.
“Now I am given the opportunity. I am turning 18 years old and I have another three years ahead of me, I will try and work hard to achieve my goal. In 2023 I’ll be 21 years old and I will be more mature as a footballer and I believe I will succeed.”
Photo: Melbourne City FC
The Greek-Australia Young Matilda’s player started playing soccer from the age of five, and has since then dreamed of going professional.
Sofia Sakalis hopes that the tournament arriving in Australia and New Zealand will bring the much-needed publicity to women’s football in Australia.
”I believe the benefits will be huge. First of all, the publicity that the sport has received since this morning, and until the next three years, is great,” Sakalis said.
“More and more girls in Australia will want to play football and stand out and will, most importantly, strengthen the women’s championship here in all categories.
17-year-old Sofia Sakalis has the world at her feet. Picture: Steve Tanner/ Herald Sun
“I believe it will become more professional and keep the players in Australia, because in recent years many players are leaving to teams in America and Europe, due to the increased pay.”
The Melbourne City player was also asked if there were any other football players of Greek origin with the potential to play with the Matildas at the World Cup.
“Of course it’s my girlfriend from Sydney, Angelica Christodoulou, who competes for Sydney FC and Sydney Olympic and is a member of the Australian National Youth Team.”
Scoring an astounding 12 goals in 8 games for the Matilda’s Under-17’s team, Sakalis’ dream of playing with the Matilda’s may be set to come true.
A staple food of the Greek nation, olives are a critical part of the Greek lifestyle. Not only are Greeks the highest consumers of olive oil in the world, but olives play an important part in Greece’s heritage.
So what more could people ask for than a two-part TV series, ‘An Olive Tale’, which will be airing today at 3:30 pm (AEST), then Monday at 6.30 pm (AEST), on Channel 31, Melbourne’s community television channel.
The series will take guests through the gorgeous olive fields of Greece and Italy, making stops in Lesvos, Amalfi, Apulia, Peloponnese, Sicily and Athens. ‘An Olive Tale’ will also be showing off the connection that Greek Australians still have with the staple Greek food, as they take people through the olive markets in Sydney.
Sandhurst Fine Foods Australia, the drivers and vision of the project, are led by the entertaining and knowledgeable character of Mimmo Lubrano. The series also features special guests Ana from Meraki Tv, Basil G from London and a range of Greek and Italian locals.
“For those who are craving some Italy and Greece, trust me, you will enjoy this fast paced look at olives and their connection to the people and history!”, producer Billy Cotsis says.
Brighton entertainer DJ Krazy Kon has made his way onto the top charts this week following the release of his new album “Greek Mix Volume 24: Classics Edition”.
Featuring the likes of classic Greek singers Alkeos, Sarbel and Sfakianakis, the album is said to bring Greeks “back in time and bring back happy memories.”
“Nothing beats the classics so it was an idea of mine to deliver something different for the 24th album in my Greece Mix series,” DJ Krazy Kon said.
“I wanted to produce an album that reminds you of a place in time, a particular club, a group of friends, an island of Greece you visited.”
The new album reached No. 1 on the iTunes Dance charts top 150 in Australia in just 4 days, now reaching the ARIA Top 20 Compilation Charts. This is the first time in history a Greek CD has achieved this in Australia.
“I am proud to see a Greek CD on top of a mainstream chart in Australia and I thank everyone for the amazing support,” DJ Krazy Kon added.
The new cd is available online at www.djkrazykon.com, ITunes worldwide, Spotify and select Greek outlets, including Oakleigh Music Centre in Melbourne, Alevri HQ & Stretto Espresso in Sydney.
As Greece prepares to open to 27 airports on July 1, the General Secretariat for Civil Protection has reminded tourists to “Enjoy your stay and stay safe” as part of a new health information campaign.
The General Secretariat for Civil Protection issued 9 Directives to take the necessary measures to protect against COVID-19 disease. The information campaign is fully in line with the information base of the Ministry of Health and the World Health Organization.
Messages will be located at all entry points (airports and ports) and will be available in three languages – English, French and German. Flyers will also be distributed to travellers.
Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis announced as early as May that Greece would be ready to accept foreign tourists as of July 1, with the Greek Prime Minister intending to go ahead with the planned strategy.
“We want a greater slice from a much smaller pie – the European pie. The European tourism pie is smaller, but this summer we want a bigger piece,” he said during a teleconference organised by the Boston Consulting Group (BCG).
“The better you do in managing the health crisis, the faster the economy will revive,” he underlined.
The leaders of Greece and Turkey spoke by phone Friday, the prime minister’s office says, after months of increasing tension between the two countries.
Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan focused on the consequences of the coronavirus pandemic and issues relating to the reopening of borders and tourist visits after the end of lockdowns triggered by the virus, Mitsotakis’ office said.
The two “agreed to maintain bilateral channels of communication open,” it said in a statement.
Tension has been high between the two neighbors and NATO allies in recent months. Greece has accused Turkey of using migrants to pressure Greece, after Ankara declared in late February that Turkey’s borders to the European Union were open to all those who wanted to cross.
Thousands of migrants gathered at Turkey’s border with Greece, demanding to be allowed in. Similar scenes didn’t play out on Turkey’s border with EU member Bulgaria.
Greece and Turkey are also at loggerheads over oil and gas exploration rights in the Mediterranean and over territorial issues in the Aegean Sea dividing the two countries. The two have come to the brink of war three times since the mid-1970s.
According to official in Athens with knowledge of the discussions, the two leaders didn’t discuss anything related to the disputes, but agreed that the level of tension was too high and that direct communication at the highest level would be helpful and should continue.
Discussions focused on broader talks within the EU on the access of nationals from third countries when borders open to tourists. The official said Greece doesn’t in principle object to supporting Turkey’s inclusion in the list of countries that would have access.
The official, who wasn’t authorized to speak publicly about the details of the call, spoke on condition of anonymity.
