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Ongoing dispute over heritage listing for St George Greek Orthodox church at Rose Bay

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Battle lines over the proposed heritage listing of the St George Greek Orthodox Church in Rose Bay, Sydney have been drawn.

But in a strange twist, it is the church itself that is resisting the inclusion of the 60-year-old building and war memorial complex in Woollahra Council’s proposal to list a number of local religious sites for heritage protection.

The matter recently came before the Council’s Environmental Planning Committee and was deferred to a full Council meeting tonight (July 10) in response to a request by the church leadership that any heritage decision be deferred until after a site inspection is completed by both Councillors and council staff.

The background to this stoush was explored by The Greek Herald in a detailed opinion piece written by a cultural heritage consultant and former President of the Kytherian Association of Australia, George Vardas, in response to a heritage assessment produced by the church seeking to downplay the heritage and historical significance of the building and its setting.

St George Rose Bay this year.

On March 27, 2023, Woollahra Council had resolved that the heritage significance of St George Greek Orthodox Church at Rose Bay be further investigated and for community engagement to take place.  Council sought submissions from the public in a strategy involving both local print media and social media.

This resulted in a number of written submissions both for and against the proposed heritage listing and a group submission (via an online petition) orchestrated by the church bearing more than 1,000 signatories.

The Church committee’s social media link to that petition was prefaced by the question: “Would you like your home to be saddled with a heritage listing?”. Some members of the Environmental Planning Committee appeared to find this surprising given that in its petition, the Church acknowledged that the Council was undertaking community engagement seeking feedback on the proposed heritage listing. In his submission to the Committee, the Parish Priest Father Gerasimos explained that this was a social media ploy to attract attention to the online petition and hopefully gain support.

Mixed Greek community views towards heritage listing:

Signatories to the online petition include some well-known local Greek Australian identities such as James Stevens of Roses Only, Dr Jim Aroney and the artist Felicia Aroney.

James Athanasou, although signing the petition, wrote that the church of St George is “a unique architectural component of Rose Bay” that has created “a special multicultural expression with immense historical significance to the Greek Australian community.”

The former Mayor of Woollahra, John Comino, posted that the Church does not fit the “classic design of Byzantine Architecture which is traditional to Greek Orthodox Churches” and that to heritage list it would be “incongruous as further works to enlarge the Church for a growing Congregation and its Community activities are in the planning stages.”

On the other hand, the Secretary of the Joint Committee for the Commemoration of the Battle of Crete and Greek Campaign, Nick Andriotakis – who is also a prominent property developer and parishioner of the church – has weighed into the debate. 

Andriotakis noted that the Church is identified in The Australian War Memorial places of pride and is also registered on the New South Wales State War Memorial register. 

The church has been declared a war memorial.

According to Andriotakis: “St George Greek Orthodox church was created by a Greek Australian community, some of which came pre-WWII and others post WWII… From the Flemish blond face brickwork topped by the bright white belltower to the clean interior, the building is a fusion of Greek Australian building elements reflecting a modern society.”

Andriotakis also wrote that the parish committee’s opposition to the heritage listing was made without consultation to its members and the petition seeking opposition to the heritage listing “has been circulated electronically all over Sydney containing a negative argument against heritage without outlining the alternative positive heritage listing benefits.”

Parish board divided:

Opinion within the Parish Board itself also appears to be divided. On the one hand, directors including Dean Haritos, John Barbouttis and Spero Raissis are opposed to the proposed heritage listing. Haritos wrote that a heritage listing restricts the ability of the church to evolve to meet the needs of the community without providing any specific reasons.

On the other hand, Rozy Dorizas, long-standing member of the parish and currently the Parish Board’s  Secretary, submitted that in architectural and aesthetic terms the St George Church at Rose Bay is “one of the most elegant and majestic Greek Orthodox places of worship in New South Wales,” but expressed concern about “tasteless ornate additions” and about what she described as proposals to change the internal configuration of the church together with repainting both the interior and exterior and removing timber paneling. 

What’s next?

Another supporter of the proposed heritage listing is the Woollahra History and Heritage Society which made a detailed submission. The Society disagrees with the heritage consultant engaged by the parish and states that it failed to properly understand the commemorative role of the ANZAC plaque set into the very fabric of the church in a prominent position, which serves as a “a day-to-day reminder of the sacrifice of those who died in for him the church was originally constructed.”

The Society also submitted that the Greek parish appears to misunderstand the role of heritage listing because heritage listing does not fossilise the site, but provides a framework for alterations and adaptive reuses which protected the church’s significance for future generations.

In its written submission, the Parish Council maintains that the community feeling of belonging and the formation of lifelong friendships is intangible and cannot be heritage listed. It also claims that many of the original features of the church building have gone, with improvements having been made over the years, including new entry steps, doors, floors, windows and lighting as well as an entirely modified community hall.

Interior of St George Rose Bay.

The church parish claims that it is on a growth trajectory and points to an existing development consent obtained in 2011 for the redevelopment of the adjoining properties in the church’s portfolio.

In response, the Woollahra Council staff maintain the recommendation that a planning proposal to list the St George Greek Orthodox Church in Rose Bay as a local heritage item should proceed, noting that a comprehensively researched Heritage Study had been undertaken to assess the heritage significance of the Church in accordance with best practice conservation methods and Heritage NSW guidelines.

It emphasises that age is not the only defining quality for a building to be considered to have heritage significance. A place of worship, albeit ‘modern’ relative to other buildings, can be significant for other reasons such as its representative architectural style, its association with a prominent architectural firm, as an example of a war memorial, and its obvious social significance to the community and congregation.

The purpose of heritage listing is to preserve places that reveal and tell the story of our past, for future generations to appreciate. It will not impede any future development.

According to the Council report, the planning controls for heritage aim to manage changes to a building so that they appropriately conserve the significance of a place and any prospective development application, whether it be for alterations, upgrades or new developments, would be considered and assessed on its merits in terms of its sensitivity to the heritage item.

The full Council will meet tonight to consider the next steps in this continuing heritage saga.

Greek Summer Campers from Australia visit Kavala

On Friday, July 7, a group of 25 youths on Greek Summer Camp from Australia visited the mayoral offices at Kavala in Greece.

The youths are taking part in the 2023 Greek Summer Camp program organised by the Greek Community of Melbourne (GCM) in collaboration with the Hellenic Foreign Affairs Ministry and Thessaloniki YMCA.

Photo: facebook

During their visit to Kavala, the youth met with the Deputy Mayor of Culture and Education at Kavala, Apostolos Moumotsakis. He spoke with them about the history of Kavala and the architecture of its buildings.

The Greek Summer Program will run until July 11, 2023 and included Thessaloniki, as well as multiple visits to neighbouring towns such as Serres and Xanthi.

Source: proininews.gr

Australia’s new Ambassador in Greece begins official duties

Australia’s new Ambassador to Greece, Alison Duncan, began official duties at the Australian Embassy in Athens on Friday, July 7.

Ms Duncan appeared enthusiastic about her new role and expressed her eagerness to strengthen bilateral relations and promote ties between Greece and Australia.

“I am happy to take up my duties as Ambassador of Australia to Greece, Bulgaria and Romania! It is a high honour and I look forward to starting this new diplomatic journey,” she said in a post on Twitter.

The new Ambassador is taking over the diplomatic reigns from outgoing Ambassador Arthur Spyrou.

Ms Duncan’s arrival in Greece comes just a few weeks after she met with the Publisher of The Greek Herald Dimitra Skalkos and Digital Editor Andriana Simos last month.

Senator recommends Yanis Varoufakis for next chief of Australia’s central bank

Greens senator Nick McKim has put forward Greek Australian economist Yanis Varoufakis, a former Greek finance minister, as the ideal candidate to be the next Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) leader.

This recommendation comes ahead of the RBA’s formal decision, which is due to be made this month.  

Ioannis “Yanis” Varoufakis served as the Greek Minister of Finance under Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras from January to July 2015, where he led negotiations with Greece’s creditors during the government-debt crisis.

Current government Philip Lowe. Photo: SBS
Current RBA governor Philip Lowe. Photo: SBS

Philip Lowe is the current Governor of the RBA with his seven-year term expiring in mid-September 2023. 

Federal Treasurer Jim Chalmers will consider renewing Mr Lowe’s contract, or a new RBA government will be appointed. 

Source: Sheppnews

Greece’s Prime Minister proposes bill for Greeks abroad to vote without restrictions

A new draft law aimed at updating voting conditions for Greeks abroad is set to enter public consultation on Monday.

Speaking in Parliament on Saturday, Greece’s Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis said the proposed legislation seeks to remove restrictions and grant voting rights to all registered Greek expatriates from their country of residence.

The proposed law comes after Greeks living abroad were able to vote from their place of residence for the first time during the general elections of May and June 2023.

Although Greek officials estimated that some 300,000 citizens living abroad would vote during the elections, only a total of 25,610 registered Greeks exercised their right to vote in 35 countries worldwide.

Ukrainian President meets with Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew in Istanbul

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy met with Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew, the spiritual leader of the Orthodox Christian world, in Istanbul on Saturday, as part of his official visit to Turkey.

Zelenskyy participated in a memorial prayer for the victims of the war in Ukraine at the Cathedral of St George in the district of Phanar.

“I thank Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew for the spiritual support of Ukraine and Ukrainians, for prayers for peace for our entire land, for all our people,” Zelenskyy said in a statement on Twitter.

Earlier, the Ukrainian leader met with Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan with whom he discussed the latest developments in the war, the Black Sea grain deal and ensuring peace and stability in the Black Sea region. Erdogan said Ukraine “deserves NATO membership.”

Source: Ekathimerini.

In search of an Aussie meat pie in Greece

By Kathy Karageorgiou.

Australian pies are still a big deal to me, even after living in Greece for over 20 years. More so than fish ‘n’ chips in fact. I crave pies, I fantasise about them.  They are the stuff of my childhood, of my connection to independence. Yes, independence! Leaving my mother’s cooking apron strings and experiencing Aussie tastes; a new world opening up to me. 

I’m talking about meat pies, of course. I know Australia’s gone fusion and trendy and there are all sorts of pies out there, but me, I’m a diehard meat pie girl.

Pie vs fish ‘n’ chips?  Pies win for me!

When I was a preschooler in the 1970s in Australia, my mum would take me to a local home-made cake and pie shop for a ‘different’ sweet treat like a lamington or jelly slice. I though, would always choose a meat pie.  

Then came bliss at the school canteens with their availability of pies. Those jokes of rats and buttons in these mass produced rather than home-made pies did not ruffle me one bit. I can say these malicious rumours suited me, as unlike my sandwiches, no one wanted to share my pies!

Since living in Greece and being a Greek, I have gone native with Greece’s ‘fast food’ – souvlaki, which I adore. Who doesn’t?! But I’ve always felt the nagging and clawing sensation that: “It’s high time for a pie.” This has gone on for years. 

I’ve searched far and wide for a pie here, mainly in Athens, Greece, that is at least similar to the Aussie meat pie that I grew up with. I may have just found it – well, the closest thing to it – in my perhaps time and reality-altered Greek residency.

To be fair, there are a few English pub style restaurants here that offer pies on their menus, and stores selling British foods – but I’m talking about take-away pies. Pies that don’t cost a fortune and that you can eat on the walk or run wherever and however you want. Pie freedom that comes with being able to sit on a bench somewhere or take it home (when no other family member threatens to want some) and make all sorts of sounds and facial expressions when getting stuck into it. Plus, you can add sauce in the measure and style you want – if you want, or ‘ketchup’ as it’s called here in Greece.

I never miss a chance to extol the virtues of the Australian pie to anyone who’ll listen here in Greece. Greeks respond, “aah, you’re talking about pita,” while American expats smile with their usually dazzling white teeth, making comments like, “yeah, I do love an apple or pumpkin pie.” Then there’s those from the UK, who talk to me about pork pies and Christmas mince pies. Oh, it’s exhausting! They just don’t understand like we Aussies do.

So even though I have tried various ‘kreatopites’ (meat pites) or kimadopites (mincemeat pites) here in Greece, they just don’t do it like an Aussie pie. Delicious they are, but not the same – especially the crust.

So, as I was out one day recently close to central Athens, earning a crust actually, I felt hunger pangs coming on and stopped at an unusually named shop “Imerouli” noticing they had pites on display but with a thicker crust. My pie mania overtook me in full force! I began my obsessive spiel about Aussie pies, followed by the employees amused looks, before choosing their minced meat pie or ‘kimadopita,’ at a very good price I might add.

I bit into this pie and was transported back to my Aussie pie heaven, well, the closest to that in Greece. The crust was thick, the meat tasty and moist, the smell, texture and taste, well delectable; Aussie pie-like.  

The store is owned by a Georgian family, migrants from after the fall of the USSR, who came to Greece in 2006, going through all the trials of migrant life, similar to those of our Greek parents in Australia. The team bake on the premises daily, in front of the customers very eyes, using fresh ingredients in their many pie variations based on recipes back home in Georgia with some adapted to Greek tastes.

Discussing this amazing find with friends and others, and implying it as my secret ‘find,’ I was and wasn’t surprised that some knew of it! And they were Greeks, whose passion there was the shop’s Georgian tyropita, the Imerouli Khatchapouri.  

One friend in particular works at the Athens Archaeological Museum, a ten-minute walk away, and she told me all her colleagues love this ‘Imerouli’ take-away pita/pie shop, open since 2011. Its name, by the way, comes from the owner Hadoula’s home village in Georgia’s Caucasus region.

So I feel my pie seeking mission in Athens, Greece has been at last successfully accomplished, although… maybe not. It has been extremely sated though, to say the least. Thank you incredible Imerouli pie makers!

Imerouli is at 73 Tritis Septemvriou Street, Athens, Greece. Open every day from 7am (Sundays at 9am) until 8pm.  They also deliver. Type online search Imerouli, for more details.

Extending the benefits of the Mediterranean diet worldwide

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By Lisa Radinovsky from Greek Liquid Gold.

Have you ever wondered how you can enjoy the flavor and health benefits of the Mediterranean diet if you don’t live in the Mediterranean region and can’t get many Mediterranean products where you live? Scientists have not forgotten you. They have come up with an answer in the form of a “Planeterranean Diet” that adopts key concepts from the famous Med diet.

The “Planeterranean Diet” is defined as “the Mediterranization of local food systems: adaptation to a ‘locally produced, locally consumed’ diet” in the program of the 1st International Yale Gastronomy & Culture Symposium that took place in Heraklion, Crete May 3-4, 2023. One of the symposium’s most intriguing panels addressed the adaptation of a Mediterranean nutrition paradigm beyond its native region, and the way this can extend the Med diet’s benefits for human health and the environment to people around the world.

The 1st International Yale Gastronomy & Culture Symposium that took place in Heraklion, Crete May 3-4, 2023.

You have probably heard of the Mediterranean diet, since US News & World Report designated it “the Best Diet Overall” for six years in a row. This diet’s nutritional benefits are well known, and it offers even more. Referring to an article in The Lancet in her symposium presentation, Dr. Antonia Trichopoulou of the Hellenic Health Foundation explained, “in epidemiology, it is rare to have such consistent evidence of the beneficial effects” as what scientists have discovered regarding the Mediterranean diet. It is “a diet that maximizes longevity, improves health-related quality of life, and is ecologically sustainable and environmentally friendly.” A largely plant-based diet, its most common foods can be produced with limited water and substantial CO2 absorption.

As Trichopoulou pointed out, “since 2010, the Mediterranean diet has been included in the UNESCO list of the intangible cultural heritage because it is a way of life, a lifestyle” that includes “many skills.” Part of the region’s tradition, it is closely connected with culture, “from farm to table.” It developed over thousands of years “in the Mediterranean basin where we have the olive tree, because without the olive tree, without olive oil, we cannot discuss the Mediterranean diet.”

Given its numerous benefits, Trichopoulou reports, “many populations around the world try to mimic the Mediterranean diet,” or at least adopt some of its practices. In various regions, people are beginning to “find their own ingredients, their own legumes, their own vegetables” that grow in their areas and fit their needs, climatic and economic conditions, and gastronomic traditions. She is glad to see this “movement on a global scale,” because she believes “what God and nature offered us we should disseminate all over the world as a message in terms of public health; we can offer the benefits to any citizen.”

Dr. Prisco Piscitelli, epidemiologist at UNESCO Chair for Health Education and Sustainable Development, Federico II University, in Naples, Italy, has been working with Trichopoulou and others on the Planeterranean Project. In it, “scientists propose a global research program for a model based on local adaptations of the Mediterranean diet.”

As one of their 2022 articles explains, the goal is to extend “worldwide the health benefits of Mediterranean Diet based on nutritional properties of locally available foods … to prompt each country to rediscover its own heritage and develop healthier dietary patterns based on traditional and local foods.” Starting with the Mediterranean diet, which is associated with “reduced prevalence of cardiovascular, metabolic or neurodegenerative diseases and cancer,” the researchers also aim to “help preserve biodiversity and natural resources, as well as cultures or traditions” in each location.

The Planeterranean Project team is working on “nutritional pyramids for different areas that have similar benefits to the Mediterranean diet, adapted to local cuisines,” yet with a notable resemblance to the Mediterranean diet pyramidTrichopoulou helped develop decades ago. The aim is to identify appropriate “vegetables, fruits, cereals, and unsaturated fats available in different parts of the world.” For example, wholegrain quinoa in Latin America and barley in Asia are low-glycemic index, high fiber options. Polyphenols and other phytochemicals are found in pepperberry in Oceania, soy and sesame in Asia, and pecans in North America.

Other scientists on the same symposium panel discussed comparable efforts to extend the benefits of the Med diet, or something comparable to it, to people on various continents. Dr. Jean-Claude Moubarac of the Department of Nutrition at the University of Montreal introduced a movement of resistance to the global spread of unhealthy ultra-processed foods, which includes an effort to protect and support traditional food cultures. For example, projects in Brazil, Uruguay, Chile, and Peru promote cooking and eating together according to certain recommendations. Relying on traditional recipes, a diversity of foods, less meat, more fresh food, and fewer highly processed foods, these recommendations resemble the practices of the Mediterranean diet.  

Dr. Guansheng Ma of the School of Public Health at Peking University presented a Chinese Food Guide Pagoda that looks a lot like the Mediterranean diet pyramid, except that it has “oil” at the tip, rather than an abundance of olive oil closer to the pyramid’s base. Ma explained that the Jiangnan diet pattern recommended in China is similar to the Med diet in various ways: it is a balanced diet with whole grains, fish and shrimp, “abundant fresh fruits and vegetables in season, minimally processed foods.”

Advertised as “a celebration and renewal of Crete’s food / culture / heritage,” the Yale Gastronomy & Culture Symposium and its Planeterranean Diet session sometimes seemed to pull listeners in two different directions. On the one hand (as in the talk by Dr. Michalis Katharakis of the Regional Council of Research and Innovation in Crete), it valorized the specifically Cretan version of the Mediterranean diet and its particular value. On the other hand (during most of the session), it explored various versions of Mediterranean-style diets adapted to fit the local food offerings and cultures around the world to improve health globally. The vast nutritional benefits of the Cretan version of the Med diet, with olive oil at its center, were mentioned–even assumed–but the reference to other cultures’ foods, including oils that lack many of the health benefits of extra virgin olive oil, did not settle the question of the role olive oil should play in healthy diets.

During a discussion after the panel’s presentations, symposium organizing committee member Aris Kefalogiannis, an innovator and entrepreneur in fine foods, pointed out that a Gaea company-funded study had determined that 70% or more of the carbon footprint of foods tends to come from fertilizer, not transportation, even from Greece to the USA. So 1 kg of olive oil has a 4.18 kg carbon footprint when transported that far, but locally produced tomatoes have 35 kg and locally produced beef 70 kg. As Kefalogiannis concluded, even when it must be shipped a long distance, “olive oil is still a very environmentally friendly product.”

In comments to Greek Liquid Gold after the symposium, Kefalogiannis admitted, “in order to create the Planeterranean diet, or more precisely to Mediterrranize local food systems internationally, we have to heavily rely on locally produced food products. For two reasons: firstly to make it easy and affordable for local people to adopt the Mediterranized local diet, and secondly for reasons pertaining to environmental sustainability.”  

However, Kefalogiannis would not go as far as some members of the panel to an approach that could “dilute the goal of Mediterranization of local cuisines and the numerous health, wellbeing and sustainability benefits that should be expected by the Mediterranization process.” He believes “Mediterranization is impossible without some essential ingredients that constitute the cornerstone and very essence of the Mediterranean diet,” identifying extra virgin olive oil as “the most indispensable” component.

Why? According to Kefalogiannis, “extra virgin olive oil, besides being the world’s most healthy fat, with numerous health benefits and recognized health claims, makes raw and cooked veggies and pulses tasty and creates an overall balanced diet. In addition, thanks to its extremely low carbon footprint, from field to fork, or even negative carbon footprint if we include in our estimation of the carbon footprint the negative CO2 sink that the olive groves present, it transports very well and can play the protagonist’s role, complementing local produce, that is necessary for the Mediterranization of local cuisines.”

As Trichopoulou asserted in her presentation, “without the olive tree, without olive oil, we cannot discuss the Mediterranean diet.” What about the Mediterranized diet? That could be a topic for a future session.

*Originally published on Greek Liquid Gold: Authentic Extra Virgin Olive Oil (greekliquidgold.com). See that site for recipes with olive oil, photos from Greece, agrotourism and food tourism suggestions, and olive oil news and information.

Emmy Mavroidis: A Greek Australian artist’s residency experience in France

A recent residency at DRAWinternational in Caylus, France, brought together artists from different corners of the world, creating an unforgettable experience of artistic collaboration. 

Emmy Mavroidis, a talented Greek Australian artist exploring gesture and the body, had the honour of participating in the enriching residency earlier this year, which delved into the significance of drawing as an expressive medium.  

‘Response to proto drawing and cave’- The Pech Merle Cave, France by Emmy Mavroidis, 2023, Charcoal on Canson paper.

Under the guidance of John and Grete McNorton, the residency provided a platform for artists to exchange ideas and experiences. Collaborating with artists from different cultural backgrounds who shared a passion for drawing was a truly unique opportunity. 

DRAWinternational studio in Caylus, France.

The culmination of their work was showcased at the DRAW international exhibition, where they also had the privilege of engaging with a group of Fine Art students from England, delivering talks about their individual drawing practices and creative processes.

One of Emmy’s most profound inspirations during the residency came from a private tour of The Pech Merle cave, renowned for its ancient charcoal drawings of mammoths, bison, and Spotted Horses, which date back over 29,000 years. Witnessing these raw and evocative drawings sparked contemplation on the primal nature of drawing and its intrinsic connection to human expression and mark-making.

Charcoal drawing of Mammoth, The Pech Merle Cave, France.

Emmy, a Melbourne-based artist and researcher, has dedicated her career to exploring the interplay between drawing, gesture, and the body. Currently pursuing a Master of Fine Art by Research at The University of Melbourne’s Faculty of Fine Arts and Music, Emmy brings a profound understanding of the somatic aspects of artistic expression. 

With her background in painting and a Master’s degree in Contemporary Art, she founded Nyora Studio Gallery—a thriving arts centre in Melbourne. Through Nyora Gallery’s Resident Artists Program, Emmy teaches and mentors other artists while organising exhibitions and workshops focused on drawing and sculpture.

To view Emmy’s work, her many achievements and awards, visit the Greek Australian Artist Directory (GAAD) at https://gaclmelbourne.com/g/project/emmy-mavroidis/

Initiated by the Greek Australian Cultural League (GACL), the GAAD celebrates Greek Australian artists by showcasing their work and contributions to the Australian arts community and  serves as an invaluable resource for curators, collectors, researchers, and art enthusiasts interested in exploring Greek Australian art. It represents artists from various backgrounds, both past and present, whose work has been inspired by Greek culture. The GAAD not only showcases the creative endeavours of Greek Australian artists but also recognises their influence and enriching impact on the Australian arts scene. By preserving cultural identity and historical significance, the GAAD ensures that the artistic contributions of Greek-Australian artists are duly acknowledged and appreciated.

For artists wishing to register in the GAAD, please visit www.gacl.com.au and click GAAD. For general enquiries contact: infogaclm@gmail.com, GACL President Cathy Alexopoulos on 0428 968 715, or GAAD Co-ordinator Vasy Petros on 0412 242 557. 

*Written by Vasy Petros. This is a Greek Australian Cultural League Initiative supported by The Greek Herald.

Professor Anastasios Tamis: We can live with the Turks

By Anastasios M. Tamis*

In my previous article, we referred to specific historical moments that showed that Greco-Turkish relations were maintained two-way, ambivalent, controversial and their successive governments made decisions and solutions that sometimes brought the two peoples together and sometimes brought them into rivals. 

The question that affects every Greek is how we can form healthy bilateral relations with Turkey, to limit and control tensions and prevent a clear cause of armed collision. 

What is certain is that we are compelled to live with the Turks, we are destined to live and create good neighbourly relations with them for the good of the generations to come, to leave them a quiet neighbourhood, without daily challenges.  But how feasible is this with a difficult and unpredictable neighbour?

In the previous article we gave also offered examples of friendship and hostility, examples of both sincere and brotherly support by the Turks but also savage persecutions against the Greeks; we gave incidents of amity and solidarity towards the Greeks but also snapshots of military aggression on the part of successive Turkish governments.  These examples were given in order to prove historically the controversial, the unreliability but also the unpredictability of Turkish policy without going into more recent examples, a policy that sometimes goes to one side and sometimes to the other, which sometimes comes as an ally and friend and sometimes as an aggressor and an age-old enemy of Hellenism. 

Finally, let us close with the twenty-plus year rule of our neighbour country by Erdogan. Erdogan’s political and personal profile as leader, during his first ten-year term in office is completely different to what Turkey and the world has experienced during his second ten-year term. The policy of tolerance, of cultivating interactive political, social relations with Greece and the Europeans which characterised Erdogan’s first decade of government unfortunately was turned into an authoritarian and totalitarian regime, enacting policies which sometimes beat and sometimes embraced, sometimes isolated and sometimes included neighbouring countries and traditional friends.

Worst and most tragic of all, however, is that Erdogan’s stance and policy has fundamentally divided Turkey politically, socially, and economically. It is a social, economic and political dichotomy. On the one hand the Turkey of the coasts of Asia Minor and the big urban centers with the rich bourgeoisie, the small businessmen, the shopkeepers, the educated, the social elite, and on the other hand the hinterland, the vast Anatolia, a Turkey of misery and poverty with the hordes of hungry, afflicted proletarians, the vassals of the ruling class. And we are not talking about a Turkey of 13 million when the Lausanne Agreement was signed. We are talking about a Turkey of 90 million, where 15 million live as pashas, and 65 million are trying to seek hope in the next elections.

Turkey’s social and economic division was most strongly illustrated in recent elections. The coast was won by Erdogan’s opposition. The hinterland of the Anatolia was won by Erdogan. Even the Kurds, who did not put forward their own independent representative party in the elections this time, overwhelmingly voted for Erdogan. Between two evils, less evil is preferable, as our grandparents proclaimed. The fact that Erdogan has better communication mechanisms, that he “speaks to the heart of the people,” etc. remind me of Trump’s case with US Republicans. Erdogan was voted for by the religiously oriented people, the mullahs, the Turkish proletariat of the Anatolia, ordinary people, those who see only what is seen and cannot understand what is being woven beyond the obvious.

We read that a report analysing the mistakes of the Turkish opposition in the recent elections was prepared by Istanbul Mayor and Republican People’s Party (CHP) official Ekrem Imamoglu, according to the Cumhuriyet newspaperciting the categories of voters who supported Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan. The largest pool of votes for the Turkish president was women wearing headscarves, of whom 70.1% voted for Erdogan. At the same time, he was supported by 62.3% of people with lower educational level, 62% of religious people, 61.3% of housewives, and finally 57.7% of nationalists. On the other hand, the main opposition candidate Kemal Kilicdaroglu received 52% of students, 57.8% of university graduates and 58.3% of Kemalists. His approval rating among devout Muslims and nationalists, however, was low, with just 33.6 percent and 35 percent respectively choosing him in the second round of the presidential election.

Erdogan now has absolute political dominance. He is a great politician. Can we trust him? Is he reliable? We will continue to have convergences and divergences, we will continue to live with the bazaars, the Buddha and Kuda. My view is yes. As Hellenism, unfortunately, we no longer have any more Hellenism to mourn in Turkey. The existence of Hellenism there is marginal. The Ecumenical Patriarchate operates institutionally, which, either under pressure from the Americans or under pressure from the Interparliamentary Assembly on Orthodoxy, will remain in Istanbul with all Its holy symbolisms, as will the monuments of Christianity there. Neither Imvros nor Tenedos has Hellenism anymore for the Turks to blackmail Greece and the Greeks. The hostages were contained. They took care to wipe them out and exile them. 

Greece has only two options in the face of this order of things. To arm itself and strengthen its alliances. With these two strategies, it will be able to stand up to every revisionist challenge, every imaginary threat, every bargain. Erdogan, like all of us, is here to go. Turkey and Greece are here to stay. Both countries need statesmen not showmen to be ruled. Both countries deserve to live in peace and amity. We need to see the forest, not the tree. Unfortunately, the real, sincere voice of man is the voice of fear. Whoever is afraid, is not afraid, the old Cretans used to say in their wisdom, and they were absolutely right.

*Professor Anastasios M. Tamis taught at Universities in Australia and abroad, was the creator and founding director of the Dardalis Archives of the Hellenic Diaspora and is currently the President of the Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies (AIMS).